Nothing, at least as far as I am concerned!
I often hear criticisms of Wikipedia that just flabbergast me. Take a read of this article, and Page 2 in particular, where you’ll find this rather common comment:
But for all its breadth and popularity, Wikipedia is a deeply flawed product. Individual articles are often poorly written and badly organized, and the encyclopedia as a whole is unbalanced, skewed toward popular culture and fads. It’s hardly elitist to point out that something’s wrong with an encyclopedia when its entry on the Flintstones is twice as long as its entry on Homer.
My response to that is “so what”? So what if Wikipedia is flawed, because I don’t think we really need anything better.
The problem isn’t with Wikipedia, it is with the whole concept of an encyclopedia. Our view of Encyclopedias is skewed by childhood memories of what we thought they were, i.e. great books full of all of humanities knowledge.
But is that true? Is an encyclopedia actually a good, useful, primary source? Or is it a brief introduction to a topic for people not interested enough to read a proper book, or looking to get into a topic? I would argue it is the later, and think that actually makes Wikipedia close to ideal.
Before I get lynched, a quick experiment. Raise your hand if you have read an encyclopedia in the last 10 years. Raise your hand if you have even seen an encyclopedia in the last ten years. I would wager that, outside of 6 year olds and parents thereof, no one has their hand up. because encyclopedias are close to useless for most questions, and any use they do have is lost when they aren’t trivially easy to use.
No matter how good the material in the Britannica is, it is a product aimed at no one, caught between being an authoritative source, that is a source that in and of itself is relevant and important, and a brief introduction to a topic that points to far better, primary resources, in a format that is too much effort for its reward.
Wikipedia, on the other hand, has no such issues. We know it isn’t an authoritative resource, and that means that, rather than a nowhere resource, it is overtly a rough starting point. On top of that, Wikipedia has no barriers. It is all right there.
In this light, Wikipedia is, far from a poor substitute of Britannica, the ideal, at least as far as usefulness goes.
Sure, it has problems. Inaccuracies, poor entries, bad grammar and silly politics. But even with all that, a totally open, easily accessible Encyclopedia will always be better than a perfect closed alternative.
I am sure, at this point, many of you won’t agree with me. So lets take a practical example, using the NY Times excellent example of the Greek Author and Poet, Homer.
The Wikipedia page has a very brief background paragraph (that probably helps a large percentage of people who end up at this page and merely want to know who Homer Simpson was named after), a number of topics split by headings that, more than likely, answer the vast majority of questions people will have, and lastly extensive series of links and resources.
This, the links and resources, are the real gold of Wikipedia If one is older than about 8, an encyclopedia should never be the end of one’s research for anything but the most simple of questions. Wikipedia, unlike Britannica, sends you directly to sources that are authoritative and true experts on a specific subject, without any impediments or concerns.
And how does Britannica fare? You be the judge. More accurate, perhaps (I didn’t bother looking deeper, why should I?), but really, is that page better?



I absolutely agree! The only flaw with Wikipedia is that not enough people use it and contribute to it yet. As more do, the problem articles will get improved and become more authoritarian. Whereas a Britannica article, for example, only comes from one person’s point of view, in theory a wiki article can be the product of many different perspectives all adding their insight into the topic. That is the power of open source … true collaboration that produces a stronger product. And it is that power that scares the hell out of the purveyors of the old media forms who see a loss of profits in their future if they don’t try to bury a budding new force.
Comment by Francis — July 6, 2007 @ 4:12 pm
So we should all embrace a body of work who’s core value system doesn’t strive to be truthful or accurate only verifiable through citation?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:V
Excuse me if I’m less than enthusiastic in my support
Comment by graywolf — July 7, 2007 @ 10:33 am
A week ago, it was really cold. SUPER cold. I live next to a beach, thyat faces south, and it was almost a gale, making the wind chill factor ludicrous. I was so cold, I bought a pair of $2 gloves.
These gloves promptly broke, two days later.
Should I:
a. be upset they broke so soon.
b. Not care because they helped me for so little at a time when I REALLY needed it?
Sometimes, cheap is better than good. Sometimes at all is better than perftec but innaccesible. Sometimes, the price we are willing to pay dictates the service we can reasonably expect.
“So we should all embrace”
We should never “all” do anything. Rather, we should all think for ourselves, and make our own minds up
I like wikipedia for what it offers, and choose not to compare it to fictitious things that are neither better nor more accurate. Britanica is not betterb than wikipedia, and comparing it to a fictitious perfect encyclopedia is like comparing your wif to Cindy Crawford’s beauty, Germaine Greer’s Intelligence and Rita Rudners sense of humour, and feeling duped.
If people honestly feel that this sort of information, basic, overview information, is worth payting for, they are free (as in speach) to buy a better alternative. Myself, I neither need nor desire a “better” alternative, and certainly don’t feel any price is a better use of my rsources than Wikipedia and the stuff linked to.
Like the $2 gloves, wikipedia is just enough, and worth the cost, not just in monetary terms, but in the time investment required, like very few products I have the pleasure of using.
YMMV, but I stand by my opinion.
Comment by Michael — July 7, 2007 @ 11:50 pm
buying a $2 pair of gloves that broke 2 days later seems like a waste of $2 to me.
While I’m sure not everything in Encyclopedia Britannica is true, I’m confident in the belief that they have gone to reasonable lengths to make sure it is. They don’t let any idiot in front of a keyboard (qualified or not) make “improvements”.
I’m not a fan or believer in users policing themselves or the system, because what happens is we descend into a lord of the flies mentality with an ochlocratic system of rule. Plain and simple mobs rule defending their fifedom. Don’t believe me try and edit a wikipedia document document about a popular TV show or celebrity. It doesn’t matter if you’re edit is right or truthful it’s about having more people on your side.
here’s a favorite article of mine from the wiki
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Daniel_Quinlan/gaming
Comment by graywolf — July 8, 2007 @ 4:54 am
“I’m not a fan or believer in users policing themselves”
I am a big fan of results. Wikipedia has produced an amazing product, that fulfills my needs on a regular basis with enough quality and accuracy to justify the price they ask. An infinitely better paid solution is not one I want nor need.
People forget that choice only exists sometimes. I bought crappy gloves because I was cold right there and then. A perfect pair of gloves bought at a “better” store that wasn’t available wouldn’t have solved my immediate problem. My choice was buy or be cold. The issue of longterm value was the motivating factor.
The economics of price are fascinating, and $2 to be warm for a few hours might be a fair price to a cold man. Ditto a $10 beer for a horny man, and that is a worse deal, because the same beer that costs about $1 in a case, and you probably drink 10. That is $90 extra!
As always, the bard said it best, even when discussing the economics of price: “A horse a horse, my kingdom for a horse.”
The problems with wikipedia are not, IMHO, a big enough problem to justify disliking it, nor to stop using it, especially when one’s choice is wikipedia or nothing.
Comment by Michael — July 8, 2007 @ 11:18 pm
Graywolf, who cares about truthfullness? SEO is what matters.
There’s plenty of lies in academia; google and wikipedia are academic. Haven’t you read the google pagerank citation paper?
Comment by Heather Paquinas — July 15, 2007 @ 2:08 am
[...] I am increasingly seeing examples of Internet phenomenon being unfairly compared to an offline “equivalents”. Bloggers being compared to journalists, Wikipedia being compared to an outdated notion of an encyclopaedia and comments compared to formalized civil meetings. [...]
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A nice thing about wikipedia is that it is built around the idea of an encyclopedia that everyone can edit. An annoying thing about wikipedia is that it doesn’t live up to that idea. One reason why: many of the interesting articles are watched over and guarded by little groups of self-important, intolerant, tyrants who mercilessly and swiftly erase any edits or contributions which they don’t judge to meet their idea of what is important, or which disagree with their POV. Numerous times I’ve taken some time to contribute a bit of interesting, informative, and true matter to wkipedia, only to have it almost immediately “reverted” by these self-appointed guardians, who in their comments evince a breathtaking arrogance towards those whose work they trash - which usually means those who do not share their POV, who post to wikipedia less often than they (i.e. who have not, like them, seemingly dedicated their lives to the fierce guarding of their chosen, cherished articles), or who may (or often may not) have transgressed wikipedia’s self-important and super-serious “guidelines”.
To put this another way, too many of these petty despots of wikipedium — or should I call them trolls of wikidom — are too quick to judge and to trash the contributions of others, whereas they should in most cases restrict themselves to editing same. (I am not talking here of correcting or deleting genuinely erroneous material — I have no complaint about that.)
From what I have observed with wikipedia, I conclude that among its editors are the most humorless people on earth. Why they congregate around wikipedia is a question I can’t answer. But they seem to be driven by the conviction that there is a “right” wikipedia entry for each topic, and that they and they alone have the wisdom to determine what it shall contain. The fact is there are different points of view about things, and wikipedia, instead of purporting to ban POV, should instead permit the different points of view to be articulated. Relevant information that people contribute should not be deleted.
But this is the nature and these are the flaws of wikipedia, and they will not change.
Comment by John Lane — September 17, 2007 @ 1:45 pm
“I’m not a fan or believer in users policing themselves or the system, because what happens is we descend into a lord of the flies mentality with an ochlocratic system of rule. Plain and simple mobs rule defending their fifedom. Don’t believe me try and edit a wikipedia document document about a popular TV show or celebrity. It doesn’t matter if you’re edit is right or truthful it’s about having more people on your side.”
You’re pretty stupid if you think people can still edit wikipedia. As of now (and a very, very, very, very [need I say "very" more times?] long time ago) you are not allowed to edit Wikipedia. Most edits are denied. I can’t go onto Wikipedia and type in “Britney Spears is hotter than my girlfriend” on a the page about Britney Spears.
Also, you fail to notice that there ARE sources, if you want to check the truthfulness yourself, then you can go check the sources. You also fail at understanding the fact that if Encyclopedia Britannica may or may not be a credible source… Be truthful and tell me the truth about Encyclopedia Britannica? Are you basing it off the fact that it was published or are you actually looking into it to see if it is truly credible and truthful?
What, are you saying that every single person who posts on wikipedia is not educated? Wrong again. For each stupid person and stupid edit on wikipedia, there is someone to remove it and replace it with truthful content and credible content. There are many flaws in wikipedia, but you fail to notice that there are also flaws in Encyclopedia Britannica and those flows cannot be edited because an encyclopedia you already have that has already been printed onto paper cannot be edited!
“They don’t let any idiot in front of a keyboard (qualified or not) make “improvements””
You’re probably the idiot behind the keyboard who isn’t qualified to be typing :). Sorry buddy, but free resources for research compared to encyclopedias with frozen information is win to fail. (wikipedia being made of win)
Comment by Doug — December 7, 2007 @ 10:33 am
Why do people get so worked up about Wikipedia? I don’t know that calling people idiots really helps one’s argument much. Try taking a deep breath and making an argument free of insults
Comment by Michael — December 7, 2007 @ 10:45 am